СААР-5, корветы класса Эйлат

Vadim · Ветеран Joined: 19 Mar 2002 Posts: 5144

UPDATED
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2004
Jane's Fighting Ships

EILAT (SAAR 5) CLASS (FSGHM)
IN SERVICE: 3
BUILDING: 1

Uri Leizin · Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2002 2:14 pm Post subject:

LCP Type
Landing Craft Personnel
1
1968

Ashdod
Landing Craft Tank
3
1966/67

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Народ, так есть у нас десантные корабли или нет?

Gholam · Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2002 2:38 pm Post subject:

Насколько я знаю, были... да сгнили.

Magnum

Олег Грановский · Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2002 2:45 am Post subject:

Vadim · Ветеран Joined: 19 Mar 2002 Posts: 5144

Defense & Foreign Affairs' Strategic Policy
March, 2002
SECTION: EN CLAIRE; A Monthly Report on Issues of Strategic Significance; Pg. 3
Israel Navy Now Element of Strategic Force Projection

Reports that the Israel Defense Force (IDF) plans to add a more strategic aspect to its function is believed to be correct and, in the view of many, surprisingly late in coming. In the past, the IDF has undertaken strategic military operations, with all three services prepared, essentially, to operate almost anywhere in the region to "do what is necessary". However, the proposed creation of a specifically strategic deep-strike function for the Israeli Navy (IN: the Heyl ha-Yam) is seen as a highly-significant development.

The IN has received Government approval to proceed with a plan to develop the force into a deep-strike force. Specifically, the plan reportedly called for the conversion of "existing frigates and submarines" as well as the procurement of new surface vessels and underwater vessels, with the capability of reaching into the Indian Ocean and capable of responding to "threats from Iran, Iraq and Libya". Significantly, the IN has for some decades maintained a force which has had true blue water potential, and has operated routinely down to the Bab el-Mandeb Straits at the southern end of the Red Sea. It has always maintained an ability to operate throughout the Mediterranean. The news reports, however, missed the point that (a) much of the new, much broader strategic strike capability has already become operational, and (b) there is no funding available for additional platforms or systems of any great magnitude.

What had appeared to be lacking in the past was an overall maritime force projection strategy, tied into the Israeli Air Force's existing long-range strike capability. The asset base for a greater strategic power projection role for the IDF has not been lacking (despite the constant and chronic lack of funding, particularly for long-term Navy projects); what was necessary was to have a national leadership oriented toward moving the national defense out into the strategic realm. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's strategic viewpoint has always been to move the defensive position of Israel as far out from the borders as possible. Given the regional proliferation of theater-range ballistic missiles (in particular the No Dong Is of Libya, and their equivalents in Iraq and Iran), and the growing moves toward nuclear, chemical and biological warheads, it was now critical for Israel to be able to counter as much of the threat as possible at source.

The Israel Navy's three Dolpheen (Dolphin)-class (Type 212 variant) submarines (SSKs) were already equipped with Sub-Harpoon anti-shipping missiles. The lead-ship, the Dolphin, was delivered in early 1999, with the last unit, the Tekuma, delivered in late 2000. Since delivery, the entire Dolphin-class has been undergoing refits to be able to fire submerged-launch cruise missiles for the land-attack mission. This capability gives the IN a stand-off capability which could be used in the Arabian Sea against critical Iranian shore-based and maritime assets and from the Persian Gulf against Iranian and Iraqi land targets.

Israel in 1999 began lobbying the US to provide Tomahawk cruise missiles to Israel, a fact which was confirmed by a report in the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz on October 14, 2000. At that time, Israel was hopeful that an accord could be reached with Syria. Ha'aretz noted: "Israel sees the Tomahawk as a central tool in its defense policy after peace is reached with Syria." The newspaper went on: "American officials denied yesterday [October 13, 2000] a report in Defense News that the [US] Administration has already refused to give Tomahawks to Israel. The final decision will come in due time, between [then-US Pres. William] Clinton and [then-Israeli Prime Minister Ehud] Barak, and Israel will probably agree to certain restrictions or to American supervision of the cruise missiles, as long as it can take possession of them." So this development has been underway for some time, highlighting the fact that Israel has been preparing for a more strategic mission for the Navy. The latest move, toward the formulation of a coherent plan to codify strategic missions as part of national strategy, was, therefore a logical progression. The fact that any possible chance of an Israeli peace with Syria was lost only compounded the need, from Israel's perspective, to hasten the acquisition of Tomahawks, or a locally-developed alternative.

What has not been stated in any open source material, however, is the fact that the Israeli SLCM is now operationally deployed.

This would make any acquisition of US Tomahawks only important as a supplement to the locally-produced missiles, assisting in the financial drain on the Israeli budget. However, it is axiomatic that an Israeli Tomahawk or a locally-produced cruise missile would be nuclear capable, especially given the understanding that Israeli nuclear weapons have successfully been miniaturized.

Israel undertook, in May 2000, test firings of indigenous cruise missiles from two of its Dolpheen-class SSKs. The test firings took place off Sri Lanka, which is already close to Israel (in a defense supply relationship from Israel), and was also conducted in conjunction with the Indian Navy, with which Israel also has close ties. Range of the missiles launched from the Dolpheens was said to be 1,500km [about 930 statute miles]. The Israeli Government denied the reports about the firings, but Defense & Foreign Affairs sources in India and Israel have both confirmed the fact that such tests took place.

The Israeli air-launched cruise missile, the Popeye Turbo, expected to become operational in 2002, was believed to have provided the model for the submarine-launched cruise missile (SLCM), despite the fact that the air-launched version (ALCM) was believed to have a shorter range (200km plus). There are various earlier variants of the Popeye in service with the Israeli Air Force: the AGM-142 Have Nap is a variant of the IAF Popeye and this uses a solid propellant rocket motor. The later Popeye II Have Lite, is smaller, benefiting from later miniaturizations of technology and is used on tactical aircraft. The evolution of the Popeye family believed to have been used for the Israeli SLCM -- and potentially for a surface warship-launched variant -- conforms to the specifications for the Tomahawk and Russian SS-N-21, enabling launch through the standard torpedo tubes.

It is understood that IDF Chief of Staff, Lt.-Gen. Shaul Mofaz, in January 2002 approved the drafting of a formal proposal by the Navy for the broader strategic mission, and approved its discussions in both the General Staff and the Government. The reports talked about converting "existing frigates and submarines". The nearest vessels which the Heyl ha-Yam has to frigates are the three Eilat-class (Saar V-class) FFLs (light frigates, or corvettes) with 2x4 Harpoon SSMs, 2x32 cell VL Barak I SAMs, 1 Mk.15 Phalanx CIWS, 2x1 Stinger MANPADS, 2x3 Mk32 ASW torpedo tubes, and 1 AS.365 Dauphin helicopter. These exceptionally capable vessels are all Mediterranean-based, allowing two to be on patrol at any given time, with one laid-up for refit.

Vadim · Ветеран Joined: 19 Mar 2002 Posts: 5144

DEFENSE DAILY
January 18, 2002
SECTION: Vol. 213, No. 12
Northrop Grumman Looking To Upgrade Israel's Saar V Corvettes

By Neil Baumgardner

Northrop Grumman [NOC], coming off its $5 billion acquisition last year
of Litton, is looking forward to a possible upgrade of Israel's Eilat-class
(Saar V) corvettes that were made at the company's Ingalls Shipyard in
Pascagoula, Miss., as well as the production of further vessels for Israel,
according to a company official.
"We are moving out with the Israelis right now on the Saar V Plus,"
Richard Schenk, the vice president for business development with Northrop
Grumman Ship Systems, yesterday told Defense Daily during the Surface Navy
Association's annual symposium in Arlington, Va. "We've finished our
negotiations and are very close to having something completely in place to move
forward on conducting a feasibility study to look at upgrading existing Saar V
design to meet some new missions."
Ingalls built three Saar V corvettes for the Israeli navy in the early
1990s. One of few ships built entirely for foreign military sale by a U.S.
shipyard, the vessels are equipped with Boeing [BA] Harpoon anti-ship missiles,
the Israeli Barak vertical launch system and Raytheon's [RTN] Phalanx close-in
weapon system. According to Schenk, Northrop Grumman is looking at the
possibility of adding greater command and control capabilities to the 1,300-ton
vessels, which are intended to act as leaders for the Israeli's navy's smaller
patrol craft.
"We are going to maximize the existing design," he said. "The want to use
as much of the existing Saar V design as possible, with some additional
capabilities. So that in a couple of years they can move forward with some
additional Saar Vs."
Israel had originally planned to buy eight of the corvettes.
Meanwhile, there is little in the way of other specific international
opportunities that Northrop Grumman is looking for with its corvettes or smaller
patrol ships.
"Hopefully, there may be some customers out there that would like to
utilize the ships," Schenk said. "There's nobody specific that we have targeted
today. We know in the past there have been many customers who have looked at the
Saar V and found it to be a very, very capable ship, for a ship of only
nominally 1,300 tons."
In 2000, then-Litton lost an order to France's DCN for the design and
construction of six 3,000-ton corvettes to Singapore. Other previous U.S.
builders of small combat ships for foreign navies, like the former-Tacoma
Boatbuilders of Tacoma, Wash., and Peterson Builders, formerly of Sturgeon Bay,
Wis., have either gone bankrupt or left the business after not being able to
find enough orders. Northrop Grumman, meanwhile, takes most of its business from
the U.S. Navy.
"We're evaluating a number of opportunities and to say that there's
anything specific currently, there really isn't that we're active in," Schenk
said. "It's more of a monitoring if you will."

Олег Грановский · Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2003 4:11 pm Post subject:

Классное фото - пуск торпеды с "Саар-5":

http://www.idf.il/hebrew/idf_in_pictures/2003/march/11.stm

Vadim · Ветеран Joined: 19 Mar 2002 Posts: 5144

http://www.all-model.com/list1/SAAR/SAAR5.html

Олег Грановский · Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:07 am Post subject:

Передёрли из "Джейнз".

Vadim · Ветеран Joined: 19 Mar 2002 Posts: 5144

Не совсем. Это - из Джейнс. Ниже ватерлинии пририсовали сами. В любом случае, там есть легенда, а в Джейнс только номерки без подписей.

Олег Грановский · Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:38 am Post subject:

Низ - да. А ПУ "Габриэль" (2) - раньше и в Джейнз были. В "бумажном" Джейнз раньше и дегенда была, точно в таком же формате (может и сейчас есть - я уже года 4 новых не видел).

Magnum · Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:26 pm Post subject: ///

Это какой-то левый СААР. Но я не против, так даже страшнее.

Олег Грановский · Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:42 pm Post subject:

А что левого?

ПУ "Габриэль" мы видели и на модели в музее ВМС в Хайфе.

А 76-мм АУ - так планировалось его вооружить такой АУ на носу и двумя 25-мм 5-ствольными "Си-Вулкан" на корме.

А потом от всего этого остался один 20-мм 6-ствольный Мк15 "Вулкан-Фаланкс" на носу.

Magnum · Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:58 pm Post subject: ///

Вот, ты совершенно верно перечислил отличия между проектом и реальным кораблем. Проектный был круче.

Vadim · Ветеран Joined: 19 Mar 2002 Posts: 5144

Robot-B · Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:12 pm Post subject:

http://x.bbs.sina.com.cn/forum/pic/47471c530104i0za

Так где у Саара еще 32 ячейки под ракеты ПВО? Первые это на носу - это понятно, а вторые?

semen_izdali · Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:10 pm Post subject:

Олег Грановский · Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:34 pm Post subject:

Нет. Каждый прямоугольник - это блок на 8 ракет.

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/saar5/images/saar12.jpg

32 на носу, 32 за выхлопной трубой.

http://x.bbs.sina.com.cn/forum/pic/47471c530104i0za

Это фото интересно тем, что видно что-то в районе задних ПУ. Возможно правые 16 ракет сохранились, а вот на месте левых 16 стоит это "что-то".

Вот ещё фото с этим "что-то":

http://www.perisai.net/images/artikel/20090714160521_2f1aff5134c2264367dc746110f171f9.jpg

http://www.ynet.co.il/PicServer2/20122005/856109/Saar_5_3_wa.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2523/4146297721_21667b445e.jpg

Вот наиболее чёткое фото:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Saar5-INS-Lahav001.jpg

Я бы предположил, что это антена спутниковой связи.

Robot-B · Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:18 am Post subject:

Я тоже так думаю. Кстати, фото Сааров сбоку и сверху очень редки.Чаще всего спереди или просто сбоку.