CZ

уже несколько раз видел ЧЗ с небольшим настрелом с поврежденным покрытием на ejector.как на видео cтертое до металла.
что там за покрытие?фосфатизация?или black oxide?
 
Очень приятный спуск у этого полимера.
...это как " Г17 спуск минус" с слабенькой пружиной страйкера которая " увеличивается в усилии" ближе к концу.
То есть, по ощущению он не пройдёт для продакшн? А увеличение усилия перед срывом не предрасполагает к смещению вниз? А как по сравнению с Р-09?
 

simon

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1 То есть, по ощущению он не пройдёт для продакшн?
2 А увеличение усилия перед срывом не предрасполагает к смещению вниз? А как по сравнению с Р-09?
1 Извините- не мерял
2
Надо немногог привыкнуть
Опять таки - у зига спуск мягче
 
1
Опять таки - у зига спуск мягче
SZ P09 нет в списке, просто интересно, будут ли они пробивать включение, но там регламентировано усилие на спуске. Глок с коннектором - не проходит. Поживём=увидим. А я имел ввиду ссравнение спуска CZ P09 vs. CZ P 10
 
эо там прица на затворе справа.
инструмент начинает вырывать хомер оставляя микротрещины по краям.

хто так сделал руки оторвать
 
да да я понял по адаптеру который сверху идет(это канал firing pin ?)
обычно если такое случается края нужно сточить или радиус поставить(помимо микротрещин имеет место быть и stress concentration).хотя мож они просто фотку эту не показали
 

simon

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эо там прица на затворе справа.
инструмент начинает вырывать хомер оставляя микротрещины по краям.

хто так сделал руки оторвать
Где? на какой фото? Где микротрешина?

да да я понял по адаптеру который сверху идет(это канал firing pin ?)
обычно если такое случается края нужно сточить или радиус поставить(помимо микротрещин имеет место быть и stress concentration).хотя мож они просто фотку эту не показали
ДА- это канал firing pin
напомни мне- какое именно место скопления стресса влачет за собой КАНАЛ БОЙКА?
Там пропилен канал, внутри стоит боек на пружине. Единственное место " мех удара"- по жопке бойка за " бекстоп плейтом " от молотка

Эээ... ты на Сизед кастом USA батон крошишь!!!

Это не баг, а фича
поумерь пыл
1) Глок Гавно , нет не так- ГАВНИЩЕ. за 5 поколений не смогли даже спуск улучшить ни говенные прицельные поменять.
2) в отношении магазина Ангуса Х - есть ньюансы. К примеру то что наваторские идеи/идти в ногу с требованиями ИПСИКА /USPSA - у него все в порядке.
 
усилия проходят по детали как внутри аэродинамической трубы.
т.е достаточно места относительно отдаленного от эпицентра(удара молотка).
но я не об этом.

основное усилие при разрыве матерьала концентрирует инструмент (в нашем случае T-образный).

если интересно (хотя это впринципе достаточно скучная штука) то почитай.это называется дислокация в кристалографии
 
поумерь пыл
1) Глок Гавно , нет не так- ГАВНИЩЕ. за 5 поколений не смогли даже спуск улучшить ни говенные прицельные поменять.
2) в отношении магазина Ангуса Х - есть ньюансы. К примеру то что наваторские идеи/идти в ногу с требованиями ИПСИКА /USPSA - у него все в порядке.
Конечно гавно, но лучщее за не имением бластеров и лазерных сабель. А сизед уже 42 года пилят один и тот же дизайн, и в скоре мы увидим надежный полимерный ударниковый Сизед (после пятака риколов, смены модели итд итп).
 

simon

В наряде по кухне
Конечно гавно, но лучщее за не имением бластеров и лазерных сабель. А сизед уже 42 года пилят один и тот же дизайн, и в скоре мы увидим надежный полимерный ударниковый Сизед (после пятака риколов, смены модели итд итп).
А глок пилят 38 лет один и тот же дизайн- и прикинь ни одной наваторской идеи!
Надо все еще прикупать конекторы, кнопки выброса, прицельные, затворные задержки.
Нужно покупать пружины для " облегченного спуска" ( при словах "облегченного спуска" о Глоке- владельцы Си зетов умерли со смеху)
Про Риколы фирма Глок виновато виляет ножкой- их Риколы помнят очень хорошо

Glock Pistol Upgrades

1990 Upgrade

Glock Model 19, 9mm Luger caliber, requires an upgrade for the following serial numbers:

AN, BP, BR, BV, BW, BX, DL, DM, DN, DP, DR, DS, DT, DV, DW, DX, DY, DZ
These pistols may have the potential of the action to malfunction as follows:
1. The slide locking back on a full magazine.
2. Failure to lock into battery because the barrel lug drags on the slide lock.
3. The magazine follower tips or sticks in the magazine tube.

1992, 6 part Upgrade

GLOCK, INC. Technical Bulletin #920403

April 1, 1992

Glock, Inc. announces a production change of the firing pin safety system. This new firing pin safety system has been installed in all production Glock pistols since November, 1991. A voluntary upgrade is being offered to maintain the Glock tradition of ensuring that all of our pistoils are up to the latest standards in 21st century Goock technology.

Most importantly, the components of the new firing pin safety system are not interchangable with the components of the old systam and Glock will always strive towards maintaining this feature of interchangability while working to ensure future interchangability.

The upgraded firing pin safety system consists of: the firing pin, firing pin safety, the extractor, the spring loaded bearing and the trigger bar. The upgraded system is applicable only to Glock pistols with the following serial number ranges :

Glock 17 - alpha prefix AA - WF
Glock 21 - alpha prefixes through XL
Glock 19 - alpha prefixes through WJ Glock 22 - alpha prefixes through YA
Glock 20 - alpha prefixes thorugh WW Glock 23 - alpha prefixes through SK

The upgraded firing pin safety has a new surface finish making it nearly 100% saltwater corrosion resistant. Also, after rigorous and extensive testing, the new system proves to be more durable and has a longer useful life. Here, as alwyas, Glock is working toward maintianing its standard of perfection.

1993, G19 Upgrade

Glock Model 19, 9mm Luger caliber, requires an upgrade for all pistols.

These pistols have the potential for an UNINTENTIONAL DISCHARGE of a cartridge with the action open.

The Glock model 19 pistol slide has a bottom protrusion, whose function is to push cartridges from the top of the magazine into the chamber. When the pistol is jammed in a double feed situation, the slide protrusion can come in contact with the primer of the jammed cartridge and cause UNINTENTIONAL DISCHARGE while the action is open.

2000, G26/27 Recoil spring upgrade

Glock Model 26, 9mm caliber, serial numbers DGU, DHR DKU.

Glock Model 27, .40S&W caliber, serial numbers DGD, DGV, DHS, DHT, DKV, DKW, DKX.

Mr. Don Bulver, warranty department of Glock, Inc., indicated the recoil springs produced before September 1999 may shear off on some of these pistols due to over hardness of the support tube.

Replacement springs will be distinguished by a vertical mark from the center on the front polymer portion of outer ring of the guide rod assembly, which will appear to be a mold line.

2002 Frame Upgrade – Rear slide rail

The GLOCK Corporation has identified a problem with a very small percentage of GLOCK pistols produced between September of 2001 and May of 2002. The specific problem that has been identified is the potential of breaking a rear frame rail in pistols manufactured during this time period. Within the specific range the breakage rate has been less than 0.0188%. So, while the actual percentage of rails reported broken is within any accepted manufacturing tolerance, it is not an acceptable situation to the GLOCK Corporation. It is also important to note that under most conditions GLOCK pistols will continue to function with three rails. A routine maintenance check after each time the pistol has been taken out and used would immediately indicate if there is a problem.

We are, therefore, concerned that a limited number of customers will not get the product we have promised them and what we have always delivered, the very best pistol on the market, in short, a GLOCK.

For these reasons, we have made the decision that in the interest of customer service, replacement frames will be offered to anyone who has a firearm in this range and decides to take advantage of this offer. The replacement frames will have identical serial numbers to our customer's original firearm except the numeral 1 will be added as a prefix. If you believe your firearm is within this range, please call 1-866-225-4098 to take advantage of the ultimate in customer service.

Вот это пипец.... ГЫГЫГЫГЫГЫ

Nothing less than the best for our customers is acceptable to GLOCK and, as always, we will continue to work towards Perfection.

It appears that only serial numbers starting with "E", "GSSF", or "USA" (American Hero’s Commemoratives) are affected. In general, the chronological serial number set that has the prefix letters of "EKA" through "EVR" inclusive appear to be the affected Glocks, regardless of caliber. Three letters precede three numbers on a plate forward of the trigger guard on the underside of the polymer frame. However, some aberrations to this generalization have been reported by GTers. Reports are that the affected Glocks were manufactured from September 2001 to May 2002. So if you bought (or won a GSSF Glock) an "E" or "USA" series Glock in September of 2001 up until the present day, you might have an affected Glock. Unfortunately, Glock has not published a list. Hope this helps, but again, if you are responsible enough to own a gun and can read this, you are smart enough to check for yourself by calling Glock.

August 8, 2005 - The Glock G36 issue

Glock prides itself in the quality of its pistol and the quality of its manufacturing process. Despite our high standards, however, it has recently come to our attention through our quality testing efforts that a limited number of Glock Model 36 pistols may have an abnormality that could possibly interfere with the operation of the Glock trigger safety. The affected pistols require a simple but necessary modification to ensure the trigger safety operates as intended. IT IS ESSENTIAL FOR THE SAFE OPERATION OF YOUR GLOCK 36 THAT THIS MODIFICATION BE MADE AT GLOCK'S U.S. HEADQUARTERS IN SMYRNA, GA.

If you possess a Glock Model 36 with a serial number in the ranges below PLEASE IMMEDIATELY UNLOAD THE FIREARM AND CLEAR THE CHAMBER. Deliver the pistol to :
1. A UPS Hub (not a store)
2. The place of business where you purchased the firearm of a dealer in your area with a daily UPS pick up.

***Always have the package boxed and labeled with the preprinted return label attached***
If you have any problems with this UPS shipping procedure, please contact Costumer Service toll free at 1-800-701-1558.

Glock will quickly perform the modification and return your pistol to you at no cost. The serial number of your Glock 36 can be found on the silver serial number plate located on the underside of the frame towards the front of the pistol.

The affected serial number ranges are:
GLM 000-999
GRC 500-999

Напомни мне про риколы Си зеда?
 
А глок пилят 38 лет один и тот же дизайн- и прикинь ни одной наваторской идеи!
Надо все еще прикупать конекторы, кнопки выброса, прицельные, затворные задержки.
Нужно покупать пружины для " облегченного спуска" ( при словах "облегченного спуска" о Глоке- владельцы Си зетов умерли со смеху)
Про Риколы фирма Глок виновато виляет ножкой- их Риколы помнят очень хорошо

Glock Pistol Upgrades

1990 Upgrade

Glock Model 19, 9mm Luger caliber, requires an upgrade for the following serial numbers:

AN, BP, BR, BV, BW, BX, DL, DM, DN, DP, DR, DS, DT, DV, DW, DX, DY, DZ
These pistols may have the potential of the action to malfunction as follows:
1. The slide locking back on a full magazine.
2. Failure to lock into battery because the barrel lug drags on the slide lock.
3. The magazine follower tips or sticks in the magazine tube.

1992, 6 part Upgrade

GLOCK, INC. Technical Bulletin #920403

April 1, 1992

Glock, Inc. announces a production change of the firing pin safety system. This new firing pin safety system has been installed in all production Glock pistols since November, 1991. A voluntary upgrade is being offered to maintain the Glock tradition of ensuring that all of our pistoils are up to the latest standards in 21st century Goock technology.

Most importantly, the components of the new firing pin safety system are not interchangable with the components of the old systam and Glock will always strive towards maintaining this feature of interchangability while working to ensure future interchangability.

The upgraded firing pin safety system consists of: the firing pin, firing pin safety, the extractor, the spring loaded bearing and the trigger bar. The upgraded system is applicable only to Glock pistols with the following serial number ranges :

Glock 17 - alpha prefix AA - WF
Glock 21 - alpha prefixes through XL
Glock 19 - alpha prefixes through WJ Glock 22 - alpha prefixes through YA
Glock 20 - alpha prefixes thorugh WW Glock 23 - alpha prefixes through SK

The upgraded firing pin safety has a new surface finish making it nearly 100% saltwater corrosion resistant. Also, after rigorous and extensive testing, the new system proves to be more durable and has a longer useful life. Here, as alwyas, Glock is working toward maintianing its standard of perfection.

1993, G19 Upgrade

Glock Model 19, 9mm Luger caliber, requires an upgrade for all pistols.

These pistols have the potential for an UNINTENTIONAL DISCHARGE of a cartridge with the action open.

The Glock model 19 pistol slide has a bottom protrusion, whose function is to push cartridges from the top of the magazine into the chamber. When the pistol is jammed in a double feed situation, the slide protrusion can come in contact with the primer of the jammed cartridge and cause UNINTENTIONAL DISCHARGE while the action is open.

2000, G26/27 Recoil spring upgrade

Glock Model 26, 9mm caliber, serial numbers DGU, DHR DKU.

Glock Model 27, .40S&W caliber, serial numbers DGD, DGV, DHS, DHT, DKV, DKW, DKX.

Mr. Don Bulver, warranty department of Glock, Inc., indicated the recoil springs produced before September 1999 may shear off on some of these pistols due to over hardness of the support tube.

Replacement springs will be distinguished by a vertical mark from the center on the front polymer portion of outer ring of the guide rod assembly, which will appear to be a mold line.

2002 Frame Upgrade – Rear slide rail

The GLOCK Corporation has identified a problem with a very small percentage of GLOCK pistols produced between September of 2001 and May of 2002. The specific problem that has been identified is the potential of breaking a rear frame rail in pistols manufactured during this time period. Within the specific range the breakage rate has been less than 0.0188%. So, while the actual percentage of rails reported broken is within any accepted manufacturing tolerance, it is not an acceptable situation to the GLOCK Corporation. It is also important to note that under most conditions GLOCK pistols will continue to function with three rails. A routine maintenance check after each time the pistol has been taken out and used would immediately indicate if there is a problem.

We are, therefore, concerned that a limited number of customers will not get the product we have promised them and what we have always delivered, the very best pistol on the market, in short, a GLOCK.

For these reasons, we have made the decision that in the interest of customer service, replacement frames will be offered to anyone who has a firearm in this range and decides to take advantage of this offer. The replacement frames will have identical serial numbers to our customer's original firearm except the numeral 1 will be added as a prefix. If you believe your firearm is within this range, please call 1-866-225-4098 to take advantage of the ultimate in customer service.

Вот это пипец.... ГЫГЫГЫГЫГЫ

Nothing less than the best for our customers is acceptable to GLOCK and, as always, we will continue to work towards Perfection.

It appears that only serial numbers starting with "E", "GSSF", or "USA" (American Hero’s Commemoratives) are affected. In general, the chronological serial number set that has the prefix letters of "EKA" through "EVR" inclusive appear to be the affected Glocks, regardless of caliber. Three letters precede three numbers on a plate forward of the trigger guard on the underside of the polymer frame. However, some aberrations to this generalization have been reported by GTers. Reports are that the affected Glocks were manufactured from September 2001 to May 2002. So if you bought (or won a GSSF Glock) an "E" or "USA" series Glock in September of 2001 up until the present day, you might have an affected Glock. Unfortunately, Glock has not published a list. Hope this helps, but again, if you are responsible enough to own a gun and can read this, you are smart enough to check for yourself by calling Glock.

August 8, 2005 - The Glock G36 issue

Glock prides itself in the quality of its pistol and the quality of its manufacturing process. Despite our high standards, however, it has recently come to our attention through our quality testing efforts that a limited number of Glock Model 36 pistols may have an abnormality that could possibly interfere with the operation of the Glock trigger safety. The affected pistols require a simple but necessary modification to ensure the trigger safety operates as intended. IT IS ESSENTIAL FOR THE SAFE OPERATION OF YOUR GLOCK 36 THAT THIS MODIFICATION BE MADE AT GLOCK'S U.S. HEADQUARTERS IN SMYRNA, GA.

If you possess a Glock Model 36 with a serial number in the ranges below PLEASE IMMEDIATELY UNLOAD THE FIREARM AND CLEAR THE CHAMBER. Deliver the pistol to :
1. A UPS Hub (not a store)
2. The place of business where you purchased the firearm of a dealer in your area with a daily UPS pick up.

***Always have the package boxed and labeled with the preprinted return label attached***
If you have any problems with this UPS shipping procedure, please contact Costumer Service toll free at 1-800-701-1558.

Glock will quickly perform the modification and return your pistol to you at no cost. The serial number of your Glock 36 can be found on the silver serial number plate located on the underside of the frame towards the front of the pistol.

The affected serial number ranges are:
GLM 000-999
GRC 500-999

Напомни мне про риколы Си зеда?

Скока букав на непонятном языке Бивиса... Глок продали за 30 лет более 10М пистолетов, скока чехам и не снилось. Но Фанбоям это не понять. Но все помнят лопнувшие Шадоу2, как рамки на Дюти меняли и сами пистолеты целиком. И это при том, что ТЕХНИЧЕСКИ там нифига с 1975 не изменилось.
 
simon


так че нету инфы?
гуглил не нашел
У них там это больная тема, на новых пистолетах П09/07 итд, перешли на технологию похожую на Тенифер (затворы, стволы), старые там и запекают, от чего они обкоцанные как Москвич412, а вот на мелких деталях видимо тупо аутсорсят как и все.
 

simon

В наряде по кухне
Скока букав на непонятном языке Бивиса... Глок продали за 30 лет более 10М пистолетов, скока чехам и не снилось. Но Фанбоям это не понять. Но все помнят лопнувшие Шадоу2, как рамки на Дюти меняли и сами пистолеты целиком. И это при том, что ТЕХНИЧЕСКИ там нифига с 1975 не изменилось.
Ну понятно - когда глокоманнам пишут про риколы глока тут отшибает знание языка и понимания прочитаного

Так мы за идеи? Продажи? Рекламу как двигатель прогреса? За новаторскеи идеи?
Подскажи - сколько спортивных пистолетов создал глок за 30 лет? Подскажу- глок 34 и все
Си зед делал оружие и делает оружие во всех категориях- от штурмовых винтовок и пулеметов до мелкашечных пистолетов.
Что там делает глок? Ах да он делает глок 19. Ну и наздоровье.
П.С. накидать на ночь глядя фотографии лопнувших блоков Глока?