Маглан, Моран, Мейтар

#2
Когда-то там и про МАГЛАН было. А потом создатель сайта сел на год за разглашение, а несколько статей (в том числе и о МАГЛАН) исчезли. המבין - יבין.
 
#3
хм....
опять чего-то нето спросил...
я думал что это наряду с вишней...сказали что можно выйти туда из "красных летаюших человечков"
если убрали значит что-то хорошее:)
 

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#5
http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%99%D7%97%D7%99%D7%93%D7%AA_%D7%9E%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%9F

יחידת מגלן
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יחידת מגלן היא יחידת חיל רגלים מיוחדת בצה"ל. המיונים ליחידה מתבצעים דרך גיבוש צנחנים או דרך ראיון לאחר גיבושי ימי שדה. מפקד היחידה הוא בדרגת סא"ל.

ייעודה לשעת חירום הוא מסווג, אך מקורות זרים טענו שהיא מתעסקת בטילים מונחים והשמדת טנקים בפעולות ארוכות-טווח. כיום עיקר פעילותה הוא ביהודה ושומרון, שם היא פועלת למעצר מחבלים וחשיפת מעבדות נפץ.
 
#6
http://yaqir-mamlal.livejournal.com/tag/%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B5

Отец пишет о службе сына, по всей видимости в Маглане. Есть любопытные моменты о маслюле и разногластях в коллективе. В частности жалобы на плохую сплоченность и на поведение киббуцников
 
#7
Очень хорошие рассказы, но только это явно не Маглан. Судя по всему, это самый что ни на есть Саерет-Яель, что впрочем ещё круче (говорю не только как сам из когорты "серебрянокумтовых", но и как человек имевший возможность пообщатся и с теми и другими).
 
#8
Почему Яэль? Хотя может и правда...Третье место на соревновании и правда занял Яэль. И минами этот солдат занимается.

Хотя вот там есть момент про гибуш, он его прошел еще до тиронута. А на гибуш Яель можно ведь попасть только после тиронута в Андасе? И зачем Яель учат штурмовать самолет?
 
#9
Да, когда то, и в Яэль и в ЙАХСАП попадали только после тиронута андесы, но после того, как создали ЙААЛОМ, набор туда изменили, и теперь они изначально находятся там.

А в остальном, там чуть не в открытую и название йехиды называют, и месторасположение, и т.д. Кстати, если это не является секрктным, могу поведать где сидит МАГЛАН. Но это пусть админы решают, если скажут что можно, тогда напишу.
 

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#10
Кстати, если это не является секрктным, могу поведать где сидит МАГЛАН. Но это пусть админы решают, если скажут что можно, тогда напишу.
Нельзя. Можно только если есть ссылка на открытый источник.
 
#11
Да, завеса секретности вокруг Маглана просто удивляет. Это все из-за Nimrod?

http://hydepark.hevre.co.il/Topic.asp?topic_id=234465&whichpage=

http://hydepark.hevre.co.il/Topic.asp?topic_id=234465

Вот эта статья была на Исайерет?

Sayeret Maglan

Sayeret Maglan ("Ibis" in Hebrew) is the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) Special Forces (SF) unit, which specialize in long range missiles warfare using Anti Tank Guided Missile (ATGM). The unit is also involve in ground laser designation for the Israeli Air Force (IAF) attack helicopters and jets.

History

In the past two decades the IDF had placed a special focus on man portable ATGM, especially since the Arab countries surrounding Israel have been procuring state of the art armor, including American M1A Main Battle Tanks (MBT).

The primary trigger for this special attention for ATGM was the Israeli invasion to Lebanon (Operation Peace Of The Galilee) in 1982. In that operation the IDF Infantry Corps engaged Syrian armor, and the IDF realized that while the anti tank units attached to each infantry brigade can handle a small amount of surprised tanks, it lacked the presence of an highly trained independent rapid deployment anti tank SF unit.

At the same time new ATGM guidance technologies like laser guidance and fire and forget became operational and available to Israel. As a result, in 1984 the IDF created Sayeret Maglan.

Overview

Sayeret Maglan is one of the last IDF SF units to become publicly known. Together with Unit YANMAM (Unit 729:cool: - the Israeli Air Force (IAF) Anti Aircrafts (AA) Corps airborne rapid deployment SF unit, it belongs to the 85 Division, as can be vividly seen by the similar Ibis bird logo in the two units' insignias, which is the 85 Division logo.

Part from their different specialties, Unit 7298 and Sayeret Maglan share many joint characteristics and are almost sister alike units. Both units were designed to provide fast and strong protection for IDF deep penetration spearheads, from two different kinds of threats, during an all out war situation. Sayeret Maglan will protect the advancing forces from MBT and other heavily armored vehicles, while Unit 7298 will protect the forces from airborne platforms.

The two units will be also utilized to protect recently captured key enemy strongholds deep behind enemy lines, until more potent IDF forces will arrive, as well as to seal security breeches in these aspects in less forward advanced forces, thus feel up vital AA and anti tanks protection gaps.

As a highly capable SF unit Sayeret Maglan will also operate independently according to need. During wartime the unit might be called upon to take out highly important tactical targets such as vehicles containing high ranking enemy officers.

Sayeret Maglan is a small unit and is designed to operate deep behind enemy lines, either independently or protecting other deep insertion forces. From a Chain of Command point of view, the unit is an independent one, receiving its orders directly from the IDF High Command known as the General Staff ("Mate Klali - MATKAL" in Hebrew).

The unit is made of two elements - the missile launching teams, which will deploy and launch the ATGM, and the Long Range Reconnaissance Patrol (LRRP) teams that will detect the target as well as guide the ATGM to it by laser designating it.

Sayeret Maglan is combat active in both peacetime and wartime and is involved in the counter guerrilla and Counter Terror (CT) fighting in the Occupied Territories and in the South Lebanon Area of Operations (AO). In these AO the unit often use the surgical accuracy of its guided missile to take out terrorists' vehicles and engage gunfire sources in buildings.

Part from its anti tanks capabilities the unit also performs missiles' oriented assassinations against key enemy leaders even in peacetime. Much like Sayeret MATKAL ( the IDF primary SF unit) Sayeret Maglan is a very long range unit and operate all over the middle easy.

For example, Sayeret Maglan was among a handful of elite IDF SF units that covertly participated in the Scuds hunt in Iraq during Desert Storm. More then half of the unit's operators participated in the Scud hunt, and using non-Israeli oriented Land Rover jeeps fitted with laser ATGM, the Sayeret Maglan teams manage to detect and destroy several mobile Scud launchers.

Sayeret Maglan operational status even during peacetime in the Low Intensity Conflicts (LIC) in South Lebanon and in the Occupied Territories, is an Israeli uniqueness, and one that drastically contributes to the unit's wartime capability.

In full scale war, besides the unit's classic role in ground-to-ground missile warfare, the unit might also laser designate target for airborne platforms.

Training & Manpower

Sayeret Maglan draw their members from within the T'zanhanim (Paratroopers) infantry brigade, following the T'zanhanim brigade's internal Special Units Selection Series (Gibush).

The personnel is attached to the T'zanhanim brigade during the first seven months of training, which include basic infantry training (four months), advanced infantry training (two and half months) and a three weeks Parachuting Course in the IDF Parachuting School (MARA).

After these seven months, the soldiers are disengaged from the T'zanhanim brigade and are shifted to the unit own base at the Julis army base, to begin their additional one-year highly specialized training.

During training a special emphasis is placed on camouflage and on extended covert stay in hostile enemy soil. As the unit may need to provide anti tank protection to other SF units during Long Range Reconnaissance Patrols (LRRP), Sayeret Maglan navigation and open field combat skills are highly advanced.

Also included in the training regime are:

4X4 Hummer jeep driving course in the IDF Infantry School (BISLACH).

Two months reconnaissance course in the IDF Intelligence And Reconnaissance School (MOS), BALISH army base.

Three weeks Non Commissioned Officer (NCO) SF course, BISLACH army base.

Three weeks Counter Terror (CT) course in the IDF Counter Terror Warfare School (Unit 707), Mitkan Adam army base.

Note that unlike other IDF units with theoretically similar roles, such as Unit Moran and Unit Meitar Sayeret Maglan was not designed to attack big enemy formations. Instead, the unit main role is to deploy rapidly and thus enable a strong and a very focused defense or attack for a limited short time period, until stronger regular forces will arrive and secure the perimeter. Therefore, the unit must be mobilized in a minutes notice as well as to posses a fully operational airborne tactical capability.

The unit crucial need to be fully airborne, including both man and equipment, is one of the reasons why the unit's personnel are drawn directly from the T'zanhanim brigade.

Most of the IDF SF units undergo a two weeks basic Parachuting Course, which consists of only two jumps - a day jump and a night jump. The two weeks Parachuting Course is more a bonus and a status symbol (so the operators can ware the IDF prestigious parachuting wings), rather then to fulfill an actual tactical or operational need, especially since in this day and age, parachuting is almost entirely replaced by transport helicopters and is irrelevant to most military applications and scenarios.

However, in Sayeret Maglan case it's to be inserted by a parachuting drop, so they must undergo the much more intense five jumps three weeks Parachuting Course, which is an integral part of the training for all T'zanhanim brigade personal.

Equipment

As an essential part of Sayeret Maglan rapid deployment capability, all the unit equipment can carried by either foot or jeeps platforms.

The unit use three Israeli made ATGM:

Israeli Air Industries (IAI) Nimrod (IDF codename - Balistra) - a laser guided long range (26 km) missile. Usually carried atop of a Land Rover Defender jeep. This platform is known in the IDF as Hobbit. This ATGM is used by the unit for long range engagements.

Israel Armament Development Authority (RAFAEL) Michol ("Paint Brush" in Hebrew). The Michol is a modular warhead laser guided long range missile (10 km) and is carried on a Land Rover jeep platform, which is known as Regel Et'z ("Wooden Leg" in Hebrew). This ATGM weights 180 kg and is used by the unit for medium range engagements.

Israel Military Industries (IMI) Man Portable Anti Tank System (MAPATS). IDF codename Hutra, this missile is a laser guided version of the American TOW2 and is now globally marketed by IMI. It has a maximum effective range of 5 km, the man portable system weights 96 kg, and composed of a launcher (weights 66 kg) and a missile in a container (weights 30 kg).

Like most other portable ATGM platforms used in the IDF, the Hutra can either be mounted on a jeep or be carried by a three man team - one operator carry the missile and the other two the launcher and its tripod. The missile is used by the unit for close-medium range engagements.
 
#13
Sayeret Maglan ("Ibis" in Hebrew) is the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) Special Forces (SF) unit ...
А кто может прокоментиовать это?

Что такое 85-я дивизия?

Что мы знаем о YANMAM (Unit 729:cool:?

Что мы знаем о ПТУР "Микхоль"?

Чем "Маглан" отличается от "Мейтар"/"Моран", учитывая заточеность их на "Нимроды"?
 

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#14
Что такое 85-я дивизия?
Судя по описанному в статье тагу - это то что мы называем 98-я дивизия.

Что мы знаем о YANMAM (Unit 729:cool:?
Это спецподразделение ПВО, призванное действовать в составе 98-й дивизии. Есть у меня в статье о ПВО. Вот ссылка:

http://www.waronline.org/IDF/Articles/pvo.htm

По данным сайта isayeret.com в составе войск ПВО имеется собственное спецподразделение - подразделение 7298 или ЙАНМАМ ("Йехидат Негед Матосим Муцнахат" - "Десантируемое Подразделение ПВО"). Его основная задача - обеспечение ПВО 85-ой воздушно-десантной дивизии, а на его вооружении - ПЗРК "Стингер" и ЗРК "Авенжер"...
Чем "Маглан" отличается от "Мейтар"/"Моран", учитывая заточеность их на "Нимроды"?
Первые - парашютисты, вторые - артиллеристы.
 
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Unit Moran and Unit Meitar

Unit Moran and Unit Meitar are the Israeli Defense Force Special Forces (SF) long range anti artillery units, and are part of the IDF Artillery Corps,

Table Of Contents:

Profile
History
Reorganization
Selection
Structure
Training
Deployment
Weapons


Profile

Name: Unit Moran (Unit 8899), Unit Meitar (Unit 427).
Mission: long range anti artillery units.
Locations:
Moran - Mit'zpe Ramon Air Force Base (AFB), South of Israel.
Meitar - Yftach army base, North of Israel.

Weapons:

Dedicated Missile Crews - Israeli Military Industries (IMI) Galil 5.56 Short Assault Rifle (SAR) as a personal weapon, various long rang Anti Tank Guided Missile (ATGM).

Reconnaissance Platoons - CAR15 (the carbine version of the M16A1), M24 Sniper Weapon System (SWS) and IMI Negev Light Machine Gun (LMG).

Training: open field combat, navigation, acquiring and targeting.

History

In the past two decades the IDF had place a special focus on portable ATGM, especially since the Arab countries surrounding Israel have been procuring state of the art armor, including American M1A Main Battle Tanks (MBT) and artiellry such as MLRS.

At the same time new advanced ATGM guidance technologies like laser guidance, fiber optics and fire and forget, finally became operational. As a result, in 1984 the IDF fromed the first unit out of the two - Uniy Moran.

Unit Moran was based in south of Israel and was designed to engage the Egyptian army in a time of war. It's also the bigger unit out of the two. Unit Meitar was formed in 1994, when a new Tamuz missile platform became operational. Unit Meitar is based in north of Israel and is designed to engage the Syrian armor in the infamous Golan Heights.

Unit Moran and Unit Meitar were built around the capabilities of one advanced weapon - the Tamuz ATGM. At the time the Tamuz was so classified that its very presence affected the entire units' status. In this case, the units were created to fit the weapon not the other way around.

At the time, Unit Moran was probably the most classified SF units in the IDF and was designed as wartime only unit, in order not to expose its missile's technology.

Reorganization

Originally, Unit Moran was an independent SF unit, receiving its orders directly from the General Staff (the IDF High Command - MATKAL). In order to get into the unit, one had to pass a classified, one-day tryout in his drafting week. The unit was so classified that the people trying out for it didn't even know what was the unit exact role until they were already in.

Back then, Unit Moran was considered elite and was treated as such - best equipment, good lifestyle and hand picked personal. All soldiers were issued CAR15, and had red shoes and red beret, same as in many other IDF SF units.

In 1993, as part of an IDF reorganization process, Unit Moran was reassigned under the Artillery Corps in order to better implant the unit in the IDF order of battle. Shortly afterwards, the second unit - Meitar was formed.

In additional to the organizational and operational reasons of the change in Unit Moran status, there was also a political aspect. The Artillery Corps watched helplessly how all other Land Corps in the IDF had their own SF units, while it alone doesn't. Even the Armored Corps had PALSAR 7 and PALSAR 500, and the Combat Engineering Corps had Unit YACHSAP and Sayeret Yael, not to mention, the dozens of other SF units belong to the other corps.

The Artillery Corps had none, nothing to attract high quality personnel with, or to give the soldiers already in the corps a sense of pride and something to look up to. So making Unit Moran as an integral part of the Artillery Corps was a reasonable act, especially since unlike the enlisted man in most other corps, the soldiers in the Artillery Corps are usually not volunteers, but are rather placed their against their will and as a last option, since they couldn't get into an infantry oriented unit because of low physical condition or other problems.

Accordingly, many of the soldiers in the Artillery Corps are low motivated. So, the Artillery Corps figured out that by putting an elite classified unit within it, with the only way of getting into the it was enlisting to the corps, it can get higher quality and more motivated personal since the ones who don't make it into the unit will eventually stay in the regular artillery battalions, bringing up the manpower quality their.

As one can imagine, the transfer didn't go smoothly. Until the placement under the umbrella of the Artillery Corps, the unit was small, with almost no one to answer to, except for the General Staff. Also, like most other elite SF units, the codes of dressing and other forms of military discipline weren't strict. But once the units were shifted under the Artillery Corps command they had to line up with the Artillery Corps more stricter rules - harsh discipline and routine inspections.

Unit Moran personnel even had to change their red shoes and beret to black ones like the rest of the soldiers in the Artillery Corps. Even the weapons were changed from the CAR15 to the IMI Galil SAR, carried by all the Artillery Corps soldiers. However, all these problems mentioned disappeared in a few years, once the soldiers that were present during the transfer, finished their three years mandatory service.

Today, both Unit Moran and Unit Meitar are rather large battalion size units, and part from the reconnaissance elements within them they more resemble an artillery or armor corps then a SF unit.

Selection

Today, if someone wants to apply to the units he must first enroll to the Artillery Corps and pass a two-day "Gibush" (selection series), which is held during the first week of the Artillery Corps basic training phase.

This selection method, which is similar to the one used by the IDF Combat Engineering Corps for Unit YACHSAP and Sayeret Yael, is designed to attract high quality personal to the corps, and since just a small number of new recruits will eventually make it into the units, the rest will remain in the Artillery Corps regular battalions and improve the manpower quality.

Structure

Each unit is battalion size and composes of three companies:

Two anti tank companies made from Dedicated ATGM Crews ("T'zevet Mokous"/"Yieoudi" in hebrew).

One assisting company which is composed of supply, signals and one Reconnaissance Platoon ("Machleket Siur" in hebrew), which is a Long Range Reconnaissance Patrol (LRRP) platoon. The Reconnaissance Platoon role is to conduct LRRP missions deep within the enemy lines, moving dozens of kilometers ahead of the Dedicated Crews, searching for enemy armor concentrations and delivering back intelligence on the size, structure and type of the enemy armor, as well as targeting data.

Training

As the units' training is extremely expensive and technologically complex, they have a unique completely joint units' training phase. Only after the combined training period is completed, the soldiers are assigned to their permanent units in which they will spend the rest of their service.

The units' training period lasts 13-14 months and consists of:

Three months basic infantry training similar to the rest of the Artillery Corps personnel. After this phase the soldiers are shifted to the units' school and is located in the Mit'zpe Ramon AFB (Wing 25).

The next phase is a two months' advanced infantry training, which focus on navigation and more demanding physical regime, as well as a general familiarization with the units' goals and objectives. Once this phase is completed the soldiers are divided between the Dedicated Crews and the Reconnaissance Platoons. The soldiers selected to the Reconnaissance Platoons are usually the ones who have demonstrated the higher level of physical fitness and better navigation skills during training.

The rest of the training for each team is completely different, pending on each soldier future intended role - reconnaissance or ATGM,

Dedicated Crews

The overall training period for a Dedicated Crew operator is 13 months. Most of it is in classes, learning the complex theory and practice of firing long ranged ATGM. Since the Tamuz missile is very expensive, most of the practicing is done in simulators.

The soldiers first spend hundreds of hours in digitized training. Only after mastering missiles warfare in the computerized environment they are allowed to go into the field and practice on live missiles firing

Reconnaissance Platoons

The overall training period for a Reconnaissance Platoon warrior is 14 months. Most of the training consists of navigation, open field combat, communications and mobile intelligence gathering, as well as a two months course in the IDF Intelligence And Reconnaissance School (MOS), BALISH army base.

After the soldiers complete their training period, they are divided between the two units according to need. Those that are assigned to Unit Meitar are shifted north to their new home base in north of Israel. Those who are reassigned to Unit Moran remain in the same base - the Mit'zpe Ramon AFB and will usually start training the new recruits.

Deployment

Unit Moran and Unit Meitar are located according to the fronts from which Israel can expect a massive armored attack:

Unit Moran in the south, facing the Egyptian armor in the Sinai desert.

Unit Meitar in the north, facing the Syrian armor in the Golan Heights.

Unit Moran and Unit Meitar are the only SF units in the IDF that are defined as wartime-only units, thus they will only function operationally and engage targets during wartime.

This definition, as wartime only units, is very rare, since most Israeli SF units perform missions on weekly and sometimes even on a daily basis. Since from the creation of the units and until today, Israel hadn't engaged in a full out war, the units have yet to prove their full capability. Meanwhile, they spent their time training and preparing for that war.

This decision was made since the Tamuz is such an advanced missile that its full capability cannot be disclosed until it an absolutely must. If the missile was used in the Lebanon or in the Occupied Territories Low Intensity Conflicts (LIC), at one time or another parts of the missile would have arrive to enemy hands, and the covert nature of the Tamuz capability would have been compromised.

Moreover, the missile is simply too expensive for routine use. The amount of money invested in each missile would justify itself only if Israeli faced an all out regional war.

Weapons

Personal Weapons

Dedicated Crews - the warriors are issued the standard Artillery Corps primary weapons - the IMI Galil SAR. This is an exception since all other IDF SF units are issued the CAR15.

The Galil SAR two main problems are its low accuracy and its high weight. But since the Dedicated Crews are not likely to go in by foot, or to engage in an infantry combat, these problems are irrelevant. The issuing of the Galil SAR, instead of the CAR15, was done in order to establish a visible connection between the units to the Artillery Corps.

Reconnaissance Platoon - unlike the Dedicated Crews, the Reconnaissance Platoons warriors are most likely to travel by foot, and have a high chance of encountering enemy forces and engaging in an infantry open field combat. So, they are issued the CAR15.

Tamuz Missile

Over the years, Israel was in many cases denied access to the latest in western high-tech military technologies. As a result it was forced to develop almost everything by itself. Today, Israel has a vast and very advanced defense industry, which manufactures a width variety of military hardware - airplanes, ships, tanks and small arms.

One of the fields, in which Israel had excelled, is the missiles area. The Tamuz ATGM used by Unit Moran and Unit Meitar is the very reason for the existence of the units and is the main ATGM used by them. The Tamuz is launched by the Dedicated Crews according to the intelligence and targeting data gathered by the Reconnaissance Platoons.

Most of the information on the Tamuz missile is deemed top secret even today. Only the general data is made publicly known. The Tamuz is a state of the art long-range ATGM. It's the most advanced ATGM of its kind in the world and is made by the Israeli Armament Development Authority (RAFAEL).

The Tamuz has a truly amazing capability. Every few years RAFAEL upgrades the missile and introduce a better version. The current Tamuz has a range of over 30 kilometers and has a hit ratio of almost 100 percents at a tank size target. It is so effective that one Unit Moran or Unit Meitar Company can wipe out an entire enemy armored battalion in minutes.

Since the exact configuration of the Tamuz platforms is considered classified even today, the units have free access to foreign spy satellites routes database gathered by the various Israeli intelligence agencies. Each time such a spy satellite is passing over Israel, all the Tamuz platforms, which are currently in the open, are inserted to the Mit'zpe Ramon AFB hungers, which is one of the main reasons why the units' main base was located in an AFB in the first place. The platforms, which are far from the base in field exercises during the passing of the foreign satellite, are covered with thick, thermal resistance, camouflage networks.
Кстати насчет внутренней структуры Маглана . В статье есть некая путаница. Там указано о двух ротах, между тем имеется информация о существовании и третьей плуги ХОД.

И вот открытый источник по Нимрод. Информация переписана с сайта производителя.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod_(missile)
 
#18
The Tamuz ATGM used by Unit Moran and Unit Meitar is the very reason for the existence of the units and is the main ATGM used by them.

Это другое название Нимрод? Или совершенно другая ракета?
 
#19
The Tamuz ATGM used by Unit Moran and Unit Meitar is the very reason for the existence of the units and is the main ATGM used by them.

Это другое название Нимрод? Или совершенно другая ракета?
Это, по видимому, устаревшее название ракеты "Нимрод".

Когда "Нимрод" был совсем супер-засекречен он назывался "Тамуз", но потом в мире узнали о иракской БР (тоже секретной), которая на арабском называется "Тамуз", и чтоб не создавать путаницу, израильский "Тамуз" стал называться "Нимрод".
 
#20
И вот из за Нимрод такая завеса секретности над Магланом? Это действительно какая то уникальная ракета?

И для чего тогда плуга ХОД?